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		<title>By: Serrator</title>
		<link>http://www.revellphotography.com/blog/2009/06/hdr-the-debate-rolls-on/comment-page-1/#comment-9084</link>
		<dc:creator>Serrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well seeing Jim has responded here and is a sucker for debates...I too must respond to Jim&#039;s statements.

Top line...all of photography is subjective and we all have preferences. So, for someone to bash others efforts is ultimately empty. My personal likes and dislikes do nothing to enhance or diminish any image presented, it is what it is!

Now to dissect Jim&#039;s statements from my humble viewpoint:
 
1. Jim says:  &quot;It’s perfectly fine to have dark shadows or blown highlights in a photo. &quot;

Conversely it should be true to not have dark shadows or blown highlights as well. I would ask,  do all photos that have blocked shadows and blown highlights have a &quot;true purpose&quot; as Jim suggests that all HDR images must?? 

2. Jim says: &quot;I’m a firm believer of the principle of GIGO.&quot;

GIGO is purely subjective and has nothing to do with HDR. The end result is what matters and whether the photographer or client finds the results pleasing. Jim, you are mixing your personal views with regard to a technique\tool. It is no different than when you put on a ND filter or polarizing filter, do tools diminish the results? Possibly, but it is up to each person/client to determine, not some photographer to dictate what is acceptable for everyone else. 

3. Jim says: &quot;HDR is a great photographic development, but its one all to easily accomplished with most photographers latching on to the whiz bang nature of it.&quot;

How is this any different from the transition of film to digital...the easy nature of digital format has opened up photography to many many more folks?? Does this mean we must &quot;hate&quot; digital photography now??

To me Jim&#039;s argument is not so much about &quot;hating&quot; HDR since I do not see any valid points that suggest we should not use it, but rather a personal rant about a particular technique because there seems to be so many using it. So from this am I to conclude that if a technique is used by many it is bad? Or do I continue to like images that I like based on my personal tastes? 

I think I will continue to like images based on my &#039;biases&#039; and not be persuaded by others just because they say so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well seeing Jim has responded here and is a sucker for debates&#8230;I too must respond to Jim&#8217;s statements.</p>
<p>Top line&#8230;all of photography is subjective and we all have preferences. So, for someone to bash others efforts is ultimately empty. My personal likes and dislikes do nothing to enhance or diminish any image presented, it is what it is!</p>
<p>Now to dissect Jim&#8217;s statements from my humble viewpoint:</p>
<p>1. Jim says:  &#8220;It’s perfectly fine to have dark shadows or blown highlights in a photo. &#8221;</p>
<p>Conversely it should be true to not have dark shadows or blown highlights as well. I would ask,  do all photos that have blocked shadows and blown highlights have a &#8220;true purpose&#8221; as Jim suggests that all HDR images must?? </p>
<p>2. Jim says: &#8220;I’m a firm believer of the principle of GIGO.&#8221;</p>
<p>GIGO is purely subjective and has nothing to do with HDR. The end result is what matters and whether the photographer or client finds the results pleasing. Jim, you are mixing your personal views with regard to a technique\tool. It is no different than when you put on a ND filter or polarizing filter, do tools diminish the results? Possibly, but it is up to each person/client to determine, not some photographer to dictate what is acceptable for everyone else. </p>
<p>3. Jim says: &#8220;HDR is a great photographic development, but its one all to easily accomplished with most photographers latching on to the whiz bang nature of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>How is this any different from the transition of film to digital&#8230;the easy nature of digital format has opened up photography to many many more folks?? Does this mean we must &#8220;hate&#8221; digital photography now??</p>
<p>To me Jim&#8217;s argument is not so much about &#8220;hating&#8221; HDR since I do not see any valid points that suggest we should not use it, but rather a personal rant about a particular technique because there seems to be so many using it. So from this am I to conclude that if a technique is used by many it is bad? Or do I continue to like images that I like based on my personal tastes? </p>
<p>I think I will continue to like images based on my &#8216;biases&#8217; and not be persuaded by others just because they say so!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Webb</title>
		<link>http://www.revellphotography.com/blog/2009/06/hdr-the-debate-rolls-on/comment-page-1/#comment-8902</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HDR images caught my eye right away even though I know photographers were masking and editing before software like Photomatix came to be.  I get confused with the entire debate, however I love it.  I love it because either way someone is taking the time to comment on it - good or bad.  It catches the eyes of viewers and you get feedback - they could have just skipped over the image and not said anything at all.  It&#039;s amazingly fun to try and work on something you&#039;re not comfortable with and to see where you can take it.  I see that with HDR. 

I also see HDR as anything but a simple program that does the work for you.  Yes you&#039;re capturing an entire dynamic range, but the artistic expression comes in upon development.   You could have 10 people process the same images and end up with 10 different final results. 

I think anyone that loves HDR, also looks towards balance in their photography as well.  I know that I love shooing for HDR, but I love experimenting and challenging myself with prime lens&#039; or no editing beyond the simple adjustments.  

I don&#039;t see HDR as the be all, end all of photography and I totally appreciate both sides of the of the debate. I just hope that people that hate HDR give constructive criticism vs bashing - this would allow for conversation and things to try differently.

Cool post!

and @Jim -  I heard that podcast when you posted it and loved it.  Thanks for that talk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HDR images caught my eye right away even though I know photographers were masking and editing before software like Photomatix came to be.  I get confused with the entire debate, however I love it.  I love it because either way someone is taking the time to comment on it &#8211; good or bad.  It catches the eyes of viewers and you get feedback &#8211; they could have just skipped over the image and not said anything at all.  It&#8217;s amazingly fun to try and work on something you&#8217;re not comfortable with and to see where you can take it.  I see that with HDR. </p>
<p>I also see HDR as anything but a simple program that does the work for you.  Yes you&#8217;re capturing an entire dynamic range, but the artistic expression comes in upon development.   You could have 10 people process the same images and end up with 10 different final results. </p>
<p>I think anyone that loves HDR, also looks towards balance in their photography as well.  I know that I love shooing for HDR, but I love experimenting and challenging myself with prime lens&#8217; or no editing beyond the simple adjustments.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see HDR as the be all, end all of photography and I totally appreciate both sides of the of the debate. I just hope that people that hate HDR give constructive criticism vs bashing &#8211; this would allow for conversation and things to try differently.</p>
<p>Cool post!</p>
<p>and @Jim &#8211;  I heard that podcast when you posted it and loved it.  Thanks for that talk!</p>
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		<title>By: Avelino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avelino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d echo what Jim said about it being subjective -- I use it rarely, and only when there&#039;s something specific I want to accomplish. I&#039;m not making money off my images or anything, I&#039;m mostly doing it for myself, and part of it is pushing the process to learn more about what I&#039;m doing. HDR is a great tool to discover the relationships between highlights, shadows and contrast (IMHO), so I definitely find some benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d echo what Jim said about it being subjective &#8212; I use it rarely, and only when there&#8217;s something specific I want to accomplish. I&#8217;m not making money off my images or anything, I&#8217;m mostly doing it for myself, and part of it is pushing the process to learn more about what I&#8217;m doing. HDR is a great tool to discover the relationships between highlights, shadows and contrast (IMHO), so I definitely find some benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @jimgoldstein: An interesting read @photowalkpro HDR – The Debate Rolls On http://bit.ly/1aoZfg&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @jimgoldstein: An interesting read @photowalkpro HDR – The Debate Rolls On <a href="http://bit.ly/1aoZfg" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1aoZfg</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Goldstein</title>
		<link>http://www.revellphotography.com/blog/2009/06/hdr-the-debate-rolls-on/comment-page-1/#comment-12113</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;An interesting read @photowalkpro HDR – The Debate Rolls On http://bit.ly/1aoZfg&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">An interesting read @photowalkpro HDR – The Debate Rolls On <a href="http://bit.ly/1aoZfg" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1aoZfg</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Rich C</title>
		<link>http://www.revellphotography.com/blog/2009/06/hdr-the-debate-rolls-on/comment-page-1/#comment-8893</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I read RC&#039;s post last week which immediately spurred me to do a post on &quot;the image you want.&quot;  Yes, there&#039;s a lot of debate over HDR, and there will continue to be.  Personally, years ago I was against any type of photo edit whatsoever.  A photographer friend who has made a career over 31 years had a talk with me about edits, photoshop, retouching, etc.  After that talk I got over my anti-photoshop feelings.  Heck, gone so far as to find HDR an extremely useful tool for landscapes of Arizona.

In the end, it&#039;s up to you what you want to present.  People can critique and rail against it all day long if they like.  In my case, if my customers like it I can continue making a living.  I try to create unique images, and when one hits home with customer after customer I feel like I&#039;ve done a good job no matter the technique used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I read RC&#8217;s post last week which immediately spurred me to do a post on &#8220;the image you want.&#8221;  Yes, there&#8217;s a lot of debate over HDR, and there will continue to be.  Personally, years ago I was against any type of photo edit whatsoever.  A photographer friend who has made a career over 31 years had a talk with me about edits, photoshop, retouching, etc.  After that talk I got over my anti-photoshop feelings.  Heck, gone so far as to find HDR an extremely useful tool for landscapes of Arizona.</p>
<p>In the end, it&#8217;s up to you what you want to present.  People can critique and rail against it all day long if they like.  In my case, if my customers like it I can continue making a living.  I try to create unique images, and when one hits home with customer after customer I feel like I&#8217;ve done a good job no matter the technique used.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the article.  I feel that so many people go overboard with their HDR photos.  It&#039;s a tool that should be used to get an exposure that just isn&#039;t possible with one shutter click.  An example would be where Maryland photographer John Milleker photographed the cockpit of an aircraft, but was so close to the gauges and in such a tight space that 1 shot wouldn&#039;t do justice.   John did an HDR and it came out amazing.  See it on Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmillekerphotography/3299900603

I try to use the tool like John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the article.  I feel that so many people go overboard with their HDR photos.  It&#8217;s a tool that should be used to get an exposure that just isn&#8217;t possible with one shutter click.  An example would be where Maryland photographer John Milleker photographed the cockpit of an aircraft, but was so close to the gauges and in such a tight space that 1 shot wouldn&#8217;t do justice.   John did an HDR and it came out amazing.  See it on Flickr &#8211; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmillekerphotography/3299900603" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmillekerphotography/3299900603</a></p>
<p>I try to use the tool like John.</p>
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		<title>By: I Shoot In RAW</title>
		<link>http://www.revellphotography.com/blog/2009/06/hdr-the-debate-rolls-on/comment-page-1/#comment-12114</link>
		<dc:creator>I Shoot In RAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;HDR – The Debate Rolls On http://bit.ly/1aoZfg via @photowalkpro&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">HDR – The Debate Rolls On <a href="http://bit.ly/1aoZfg" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1aoZfg</a> via @photowalkpro</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wyden Kivowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Wyden Kivowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @ishootinraw: HDR – The Debate Rolls On http://bit.ly/1aoZfg via @photowalkpro&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @ishootinraw: HDR – The Debate Rolls On <a href="http://bit.ly/1aoZfg" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1aoZfg</a> via @photowalkpro</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: I Shoot In RAW</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Shoot In RAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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 via @photowalkpto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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 via @photowalkpto</span></span></span></p>
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